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Exclusive QPB Interview with Julia Scheeres, the acclaimed author of Jesus Land

Interview with Julia Scheeres by Annie Leuenberger
November 11, 2006
Mission Café –Valencia St. @ 21st St.
San Francisco, California

San Francisco native and QPB contributing editor Annie Leuenberger caught up with local author Julia Scheeres, winner of QPB’s New Visions Award for her memoir Jesus Land, and her ten-week-old baby Tessa, who slept the entire time despite having had her first full night of sleep on the eve of the interview.

We’re here today to find out what you’ve been up to since the publication of Jesus Land. First is first. How’s motherhood? How’s Tessa doing?

Well, Tessa’s right here. She’s sleeping at the moment. This could change in the next minute. She could wake up and start screaming again, but it’s been awesome. I didn’t know I was capable of feeling such a profound love for anyone. It’s so different from what you feel for your family and even your partner. It’s just unconditional and it’s very safe because you know they’re never going to leave you. There’s no fear.

Some people say writing a novel is a birth of sorts--how does giving birth, literally, change your perceptions of being a writer?

Well, it was the most incredible amount of pain I’ve ever been in. 

The book or the baby? [Laughter] 

Emotional pain, the book. Physical pain, the baby. I think once you’ve given birth you’re not afraid of anything anymore.Are you a part of a community of writers in San Francisco? Do you connect with other writers?

Yes, I’m a part of the San Francisco Writer’s Grotto, which is a community office space in South Park with thirty-plus writers. It’s an amazing resource. The writing task can be very lonely, so it’s nice to be able to grab coffee or lunch with someone. But not only do you have the social aspects-- the networking aspects are great as well. We ask each other things like, Do you like your agent? How much did you get for your advance? [Laughter] We have a conference room. We all eat lunch together at 12:30 and discuss literature. It’s really amazing. It’s ideal. I can’t see that happening anywhere else, really. It’s just been a great boon.

Speaking of the writing practice and the like, what is your favorite time to write?

Well, it used to be the morning, but now my mornings are taken up with little Tess here. I’ve got to quickly feed her, dress her, and get her off to daycare. Being a mom teaches you to be very disciplined. I was worried about how it would affect my writing, but I just learned to just be very focused. When you’ve only got an hour, you’ve got to focus-—turn off the e-mail, turn off the Internet.

[Tessa stirs. Goes back to sleep.] 

I’ve read some of your other interviews and the postings on your blog in which you mention being thankful to live in such a tolerant community as San Francisco—a much different place than where Jesus Land takes place. I’m curious how location informs your new work. 

My new novel?

Yes, which is also what we want to talk about today. 

Well, I think it does play a part in that I deal with a lot of the same themes: religious hypocrisy, narrow-minded subculture and escaping it.  It’s about a girl who grows up in this tiny Indiana town that is run by a preacher/city manager—-they call him the “Rev Man” for Reverend Manager.  It’s basically this tiny little forgotten Indiana town and he has complete control over it. Things get crazier and crazier as he tries to block out secular culture, which is kind of like the reform school I was in. It is the reform school I was in. So when this girl manages to escape, she’s totally unprepared to launch herself into the world. She is just so naïve and ignorant about what the real world is—-it’s kind of the next step after Jesus Land, like, what happens when you leave?

Continuing on the theme of location, Jesus Land debuted on the Times of Londons bestseller list at #10 in paperback non-fiction last Sunday (11/5). This, you say on your blog, in a country you’ve never even visited. Seems there’s an element of surprise in your reaction. Can you speak about your feelings surrounding the success of your memoir?      

Well, it was so hard for me to even sell this book in the U.S.  My agent had almost given up on it. Counterpoint was the last publisher that he showed it to. Actually, he didn’t even show it to them. He was out having lunch with an editor discussing another book and as an afterthought, he asked this woman where she was from. It just so happened that she was from the Midwest and brought up by missionary parents.  He said, “Well, in that case, I have a writer who grew up under similar circumstances,” and the editor said, “That’s the book I want to read.” And they bought it almost immediately. 

But there was a time there, a very black period, where I said, “I can’t sell this.” However, I felt so strongly about it being a testament to my brother, a tribute to him, a way to immortalize him, that I just wanted it to be published and didn’t care about the money. The fact that it’s done so well is beyond my wildest expectations. It’s a great, great feeling. It’s a very humbling experience. It makes me feel great that people are reading about David all over the world:  in the UK, in Australia, in New Zealand. I get e-mails from everywhere.

What are some of the responses from abroad? How do they respond to this American story?

Well, they don’t specifically put it in American terms, but I think it has the universally appealing themes of misfit kids, teenage angst, feeling like you are a helpless child and you just want to turn 18 and break free. I still get e-mails about it every day. Some people tell me, “I love David. I feel like I really know him.”

In light of this tribute to David, it’s the 20th anniversary of his death next year, right? 

Yeah, it’s weird because he’ll be dead as long as he was alive. 

Where is David with you now? 

It’s interesting. When I was writing the book, I was just so in tune with him and his memory. I looked at photographs every day; I read his letters. I really put myself back into the 80s and read my diary. So in that regard, he felt very close… I would dream about him constantly. It was very a beautiful experience because I felt--it sounds strange, but I felt close to him again. I would dream about him and he would be real to me again, but in a comforting way. He would just appear in a dream randomly or it’d be us as kids having an adventure. When I stopped writing the book, I stopped dreaming about him. I am very humbled that this book has done so well and I was able to get his story out there.  

How has it been making the shift from nonfiction to fiction?

It’s great to just make shit up. [Laughter] It’s a big relief after Jesus Land. It’s so freeing. You can make things so much more dramatic and funnier than they would have been in real life. With nonfiction, you have to be like, All right, I have to dramatize this very mundane detail because it’s important to the book somehow--whereas in fiction, you can take it to the nth degree. So it’s been really fun. I’m just starting to work on it again and I just get in this float-y space where it’s all I think about. In the middle of the night, or when I’m walking Tess-—you just get into this trance where you’re making connections all over and you’re like, I’m going to use that in the book.

Is your main character coming into your life like David did?

Well, this is still the first draft. I’m still in the idea stage. The whole idea of the town just came to me--the history of the town and the reverend. As you’re writing, things layer and they change. It’s a thrilling experience. I’m loving it. Hopefully I can sell it. [Laughter] Hopefully my editors will think it’s as interesting as I do. It’s just really fun. It’s also fun to poke fun at the culture I grew up in. 

What are you reading now? Or do you even have time to read?

I actually have a friend’s manuscript with me now that I’m supposed to blurb—-I’m blurbing a lot of books lately. I’m also reviewing books for the New York Times. 

Who are your favorite fiction writers these days?

For short stories, I really love T.C. Boyle and Annie Proulx-—not as passionate about their novels. I like really odd, quirky books. I just read this novel for the New York Times by this French woman who was trained as a psychiatrist and later became a novelist-—it’s called Everyday Life by Lydie Salvayre. It’s this neurotic and paranoid monologue of this middle-aged secretary whose life is upended when a new secretary is hired at her firm. It’s all in her head. It’s just hilarious. I like quirky stuff like that. There’s also this book by Jim Crace called Being Dead, which I adored.  Especially the beginning of Being Dead--it’s just shocking. It’s an amazing conceit. A lot of books, you know, they lose steam along the way or in the middle, but if the conceit is interesting enough, it will pull me along.

Off the topic here, but I took one of those career tests recently and one of the questions it asked was, “If you had an hour of primetime TV, what would you talk about?”

I’d talk about changing dirty diapers in the middle of the night and how much I love that, how thrilling it is. Just kidding. You know, it’s funny, I’m a pretty private, quiet person, but this book has forced me to be an activist in one regard and that is regarding New Horizon Youth Ministries, which runs the reform school I went to. I’ve already been on TV actually and there have been newspaper articles written about it.  Also, we started this alumni web site which is basically filled with testimonials against this school. There are thirty or so people talking about the abuse they suffered.  And it’s very empowering. When you’re in a reform school, they take kids as young as 12 at these schools, you feel like you’re a bad kid because you’re still in that stage where adults are always right. You’re used to being a minor and having people in control of you, so when you grow up, and you realize that yes, it actually was a bad place and it still exists and kids are being hurt there now, it’s a powerful experience. I’d probably talk about New Horizons and Christian zealots. I think fundamentalism of any kind is harmful. 

Julia, one last question…do you plan on staying in the Bay Area?

I hope so. I love it here. And I’ve lived everywhere: the Midwest, Miami, Maryland, Los Angeles. I went to school in the Dominican Repulic, I did a semester in Costa Rica, and I lived in Spain for four years, which I loved. Part of the new book will take place in Spain.  But there’s something about San Francisco. It’s progressive, there’s a big writing community, there are a ton of little places like this café-—it’s not all Starbucks and Barnes and Noble stores. It still has its quaint class and independence. And the Grotto is a huge thing. I don’t think I’d be able to find that anywhere else.

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Comments

Dear Ms. Scheeres,

You are a saint. Saint Ju-la-la. It has a ring to it doesn’t it? I jest not.

I have just finished your book Jesus Land and want you to know that I applaud you for exposing the dark side of Christian fundamentalism. I want you to know that the emails that your readers send you are “real” contact, because you have elicited in us real emotions. You are the catharsis. Not the book. Though it may appear as such. I am an interfaith journalist/writer myself struggling to release my children from the grips of an abusive, alcoholic ex-husband who was raised by people much like your parents.

I was raised in the deep south and still have people lift their eyebrows and ask questions about two of my best friends, who are African Americans. I went to school in New Orleans ( a seat of racism) in the 80’s and was almost raped by a black man in the park until I told him I got it. I got why he was pissed off and as a white woman, I was just as discriminated against as he was and pissed off about his race has been treated. We shared a cigarette while he stared at my crotch, and he finally left- friends.

I see the beauty in the photo and relationship of you and your brother. David absolutely lives in you. You (two) are the symbolism, his dark skin and your light. You are the light now and I see his death as the death of the darkness you endured. Your cigarette burn- ironically not unlike a nail hole (in Christ).

I want to thank you for saying the things that no one wants to say. For your courage- and your humor. For without it, we sink. Keep doing what you are doing. Apply pressure and truth.

Namaste,
Jennifer W.


Hi- Are Julia & David Scheere's parents still alive? If so- how did they react to the book? Did they ever apologize?

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